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Friday, November 23, 2012

The Debater's Potter - Part 17 - Chapter 12

Here we go again with another instalment of The Debater's Potter where I react to, and interact with Dr. James R. White's book The Potter's Freedom(TPF)! He intends the book as a defense of his view of the Reformation and "the" rebuttal of Dr. Norman Geisler's book Chosen But Free(CBF). I would classify myself as a Non-Calvinist-Non-Arminian Believer in Christ, and I choose the title for this series because Dr. White's theology and argumentation seems more suited to debate than understanding God.

These articles are exceedingly long, and so I won't be able to go over points previously covered. So, please start from the Introduction to the series where you'll also find an index of links to each of the articles in the series. Thanks!

Oh, I haven't reminded the readers to buy The Potter's Freedom lately. I'm quoting Dr. White extensively because in almost every interaction I've seen him in, and throughout The Potter's Freedom he complains that his opponents don't quote and interact with what he or other Reformed Theologians write and teach. Even though I have done my best to ensure no one can say I'm "cherry picking" things in his work, and even though I am also doing my best to ensure his arguments are presented accurately no one has any excuse to take my word for it. If this is a subject you're interested in, and surely you wouldn't be reading these articles if you were not, then you owe it to yourself to see all that these men write. 


Last time we looked at Dr. White's attempted rebuttal of a "universal atonement." His attempt was less than half-hearted. He mentioned only two verses and only discussed one of them. In just a few moments I was able to find a multitude of passages which say explicitly or demonstrate soundly that Christ died for all.

This time we will look at his definition of Irresistible Grace and his defence of Pre-Faith Regeneration. We're going to do it in a similar fashion to the last article; instead of going paragraph by paragraph we'll look at his points. Also, for the first time in this series I needed to open something other than a Bible and a Greek dictionary. I had to open up a Greek Grammar and re-familiarize myself with how to interprete the Greek Participle. I needed to do this to make sure I was correct when responding to Dr. White on his view of 1Jn 5:1. There'll be an extended discussion about that verse below.

Irresistible Grace is Resurrection Power

Dr. White begins his chapter with a quotation from Charles Spurgeon:
"Before we believed in Jesus, we were not capable of those sacred actions which are now our daily delight... we could not believe. How could we do so, when we had not received the gift of faith from the ever-blessed Spirit?... and just as a corpse is under bondage to death, and cannot stir hand or foot, lip or eye, so were we under bondage to sin and Satan."
As has been noted by many others over the last 400 years Calvinism postulates a very lively dead man, who while unable to believe can accomplish all manner of sins.

Dr. White explains the reasoning behind Irresistible Grace:
"The doctrine of irresistible grace is easily understood. Once we understand the condition of man in sin, that he is dead, enslaved to a corrupt nature, incapable of doing what is pleasing to God, we can fully understand the simple assertion that God must raise the dead sinner to life."
The best evidence the Calvinist has for his doctrine of Irresistible Grace is that his other doctrines demand it to be true. I am not going to spend space in this article discussing the false doctrine of Total Inability except to note that it has previously been fully discussed and refuted here: Testing TULIP: Total Depravity/Inability.

One way that Irresistible Grace is often challenged by opponents is by noting all the places in the Bible that show men resisting both the will and the grace of God. Picking up in the next sentence after the above quote, Dr. White responds to this challenge and gives a definition of the doctrine:
"...that God must raise the dead sinner to life. This is all, really, the phrase means: it has nothing to do with sinners rebelling against God and "resisting" Him in that way. It has nothing to do with the fact that christians often resist God's grace in their lives when they sin against Him. No, irresistible grace means one thing: God raises dead sinners to life."
Not really all that controversial really. While I would take exception to when Dr. White thinks this happens, and even the nuance of what he means by "raising dead sinners to life." I largely agree with this statement myself.

Then he offers this statement:
"When we discussed man's deadness in sin we emphasized the fact that even though spiritually dead and alienated from God, the unregenerate sinner is still very active in his or her rebellion against God."
As much as the Calvinist likes the illustration of a dead corpse that is unable, even unmotivated, to do anything when it is in regard to belief they abandon the illustration when it works against their theology.

Dr. White then goes on to talk about unregenerate man's inability to do anything that is pleasing to God. I agree with this idea, of course. For without faith it is impossible to please God. Heb 11:6 However, White includes having faith as being something that pleases God. First Heb 11:6 doesn't say that faith pleases God, it says without it you cannot please God. Secondly Romans 4 excludes the idea that saving faith pleases God or has merit. See Well Done Abram? for more on this subject.
"Irresistible grace, then, is simply the assertion that God's grace, expressed in the sovereignly free act of regeneration, is irresistible. When God chooses to raise one of His elect to life He can do so without asking permission of the dead creature. This is seen clearly in the raising of Lazarus from the dead."
Now you see why I take exception to White's use of the phrase "raise the sinner to life." Dr. White uses the example of Lazarus' resurrection to build his doctrine of regeneration of the lost sinner. I could quote him at length but I've decided not to because I found his manipulation of his readers somewhat upsetting. It is vitally important to me, that my readers are not distracted from the errors in his argument by my dislike for how he treats his readers.
On the level of spiritual capacity the unregenerate man is just like Lazarus: dead, bound, incapable of "self-resurrection." ... Corpses are not known for engaging in a great deal of conversation. No, before Lazarus can respond to Christ's command to come forth, something must happen. Corpses do not obey commands, corpses do not move."
Yet, earlier he quoted Spurgeon saying that the sinner is a dead corpse who is controlled by (obeys) sin and Satan... Further, if Lazarus being "bound" is illustrative of the state the unregenerate sinner is in, and if Lazarus's resurrection is illustrative of regeneration resulting in an reborn saint who is not bound... then why is it that the Apostle John includes the fact that after Lazarus came out of the grave he was still bound? Jn 11:44
"Jesus changed Lazarus's condition first: Lazarus' heart was made new, his mind revitalized. Blood began once again to course through his veins. What was once dead is now alive, and can now hear the voice of his beloved Lord, 'Come forth!'"
The recounting of the historical event is found in John 11:1-44, but White only quotes verses 40-45. Not only is his just-so story, which is an Ad Hoc Fallacy, not found or implied in the Text He doesn't show any Scriptural reason to believe that this event is analogous with the regeneration of a lost sinner. Why? Because there is no passage in Scripture which links these two things.

Yet White continues:
"This is the testimony of every believer... When Christ calls Lazarus the result is resurrection power!"
Resurrection is not regeneration. The Lord was resurrected not regenerated or born again. Lazarus already had a loving relationship with the Lord prior to these events. Jn 11:3 When a sinner is regenerated, or born again, all things are new. It's a convenient passage to use because it provides a framework which the Calvinist can insert his theology into, while at the same time being graphical and amazing. No matter how cool eisegesis lets the sermon be it is still just eisegesis and not exegesis right?

Think I was too harsh at the beginning noting that Irresistible Grace is only supported by the necessity other doctrines of Calvinism create?
"The Scriptural testimony to this truth comes from the many passages we examined regarding total depravity and inability, together with those that teach the absolute sovereignty of God. Even if we could not present further direct biblical teaching, these two truths alone would be enough to establish the necessity of irresistible grace."
We have already seen that his teaching of Total Inability is false and that the verses that speak of the "absolute sovereignty of God" do not teach Determinism at all.  As of yet all we've heard is something like 'Calvinism demands that Irresistible Grace is true, therefore it is'.  He goes on to to say that Scripture does give positive testimony to Irresistible Grace so let's see what he can produce for us.

The Testimony of Scripture

Writing of John 3:3 White offers:
"Every Christian knows the truth of these words, but how often do we consider the order of the actions of 'born again' and 'see the kingdom of God'? That is, by tradition it is taught that a person sees the kingdom of God, desires to enter into it, and then believes resulting in regeneration. Yet, Jesus taught that the unregenerate person cannot even see the kingdom of God."
I can't speak for anyone who teaches from tradition, or about traditions. I'm intentionally ignorante of these things. I know nothing of teachings that say one "sees the kingdom, desires to enter it and then believes resulting in regeneration." I can however quote the testimony of Scripture, and you can too! I'm going to come back to these verses again but check out what the Lord and His Apostles taught, and still teach to this day. You can do it with passages like Jn 1:12Jn 3:14-15 Re: Num 21:9, Jn 6:45Rom 10:14-17Eph 1:13, and Gal 3:2. As I will note again, these verses say believe and then be born again as a child of God, not the other way around. Look and live, not the other way around. Believe and receive the Spirit of God, not the other way around. Even if Jn 3:3 actually did mean that the sinner "cannot even see the Kingdom of God" it wouldn't matter because one is not saved by seeing the Kingdom of God. Further John 3:14-15 is most informative about Dr. White's argument because it is at complete odds with it. It is also the Lord's teaching, and also taken from the same teaching given to the same student.

White continues:
"Does this mean simply that the unregenerate person cannot enter into the kingdom in some future day unless born again? While true, is that all it means? We suggest the passage goes beyond this."
It find it very hard to restrain myself when responding to this kind of teaching. After suggesting that it means more than entering, and some commentary about the actions of spiritual life Dr. White admits:
"Jesus parallels 'seeing' the kingdom with 'entering' the kingdom in the same passage."
When the Lord tells you what He means it's probably a good idea to take His word for it. Especially when the additional meaning you "suggest" it also carries is at complete odds with the rest of what the Lord teaches in the same passage! See, the Lord says that one must look at (see) the Christ lifted up in order to receive life, in the same way that the dying Israelites had to look at the serpent lifted up on Moses' staff in order to get life. Jn 3:14-15, Num 21:9. Look and live, not live and look. The Israelites were not saved from the poisonous snakes so they could then look at the brazen serpent on Mose's staff. No. They had to look at the serpent on the staff in order that they would be saved. The Lord's example is exactly opposite to Dr. White's doctrine.
"The relationship of faith and regeneration is central to the topic of irresistible grace. Arminians content strongly that faith results in regeneration: Calvinists content just as strongly that one must be born again to be able to do something that is clearly a function of the spiritual man and is pleasing to God: having saving faith."
The Bible says that Salvation had to be by grace in order that it could be by grace. Rom 4:16 That is, saving faith is not "pleasing to God" it is not a "work"or "function" of a spiritual man but of the ungodly sinner. Rom 4:5 This is no more than inventing a problem for Calvinism to solve. For more on the subject please see Well Done Abram?
"Does the Bible speak to the issue of what comes first, regeneration or faith?"
There is not a single verse in the Bible that says regeneration comes before faith, and there are many that say faith comes first, and/or condition regeneration on faith. I quoted a short list of them above and will return to that list again below.
"The Scriptures tell us that we are saved by grace through faith. Of this there is no doubt. But the question properly focuses upon the nature of this faith..."
I did a whole series on 'But' Theology... why is it that Calvinists, especially of the Lordship Salvation preaching sort, cannot simply state that Salvation is BY (accomplished by) unmerited favour THROUGH (accessed by, such as is spelled out in Rom 5:1-2) Faith. Why is there always a "but" after that statement? I've searched Paul's writings on the subject and he never once said "but" after talking about how Salvation is by grace through faith alone.
"The previous considerations regarding man's deadness in sin point to the obvious conclusion that man must first be made capable of such a spiritual activity as saving faith, and the fact that the glory for salvation goes solely to a sovereign, life-giving God bears upon this issue as well."
Because White has postulated, falsely, that man suffers from the Total Inability to believe the Gospel, he believes that regeneration "must" happen before faith.  Also, because White has postulated, falsely due to Romans 4 for example, that if a person were to be able to believe the Gospel they would get some glory for doing so he believes that regeneration "must" happen first.

Immediately after White reveals the true reason he holds to the doctrine of pre-faith regeneration he moves into some discussion of Scripture with:
"But there are Scriptural passages that bear directly upon the topic."
What we are about to discuss demonstrates clearly why I am terrified of theology that "must be." When it "must be" true you will see it in the Text no matter if it is there or not. You'll find clever ways to find it everywhere even if it's nowhere. This danger is one of the better reasons I don't call myself "Free Grace" or a "Dispensationalist." As much as I agree with many of the findings of these systems if I started to "be" them then I would be inclined to find these things confirmed in various ways in the Text, even if such was not in the Text. It's a real danger we each need to be aware of, and to ever work against. 1Tim 4:16, 2Tim 2:15, 2Tim 4:1-5, Tit 1:5-9, Tit 2:1-10.

He starts with a discussion of 1Jn 5:1 which has seen a lot of debate online in recent years. Dr. White asserts that "generally" the verse would be understood to present an order of events such as:
"1) Believe that Jesus is the Christ; and 2) you are born of God. Yet, the original readers of this text would not jump to such a conclusion. In reality, the most literal rendering would be "Everyone believing (present tense participle, emphasizing both the on-going action as well as the individuality of saving faith, "each believing person") that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God (a perfect passive verb, "has been born by the agency of God")... And what is the inevitable result of being born of God? Belief that Jesus is the Christ."
At the time of this writing searching Google for 1 John 5:1 Calvinism returns as the first result an article written by Kevin Brown at his blog called Diglotting.  In the article Kevin Brown shows Dr. White is in error with his Greek grammar in this verse. He shows that 1Jn 5:10 has the same grammatical structure and yet no one would argue that the person first made God a liar and then didn't believe Him. Quoting from Kevin Brown's article:
"James linked to a video of John Piper explaining 1 John 5:1 from the Calvinistic perspective, but it was not convincing. I think that the meaning of 1 John 5:10 can be seen if paralleled with 1 John 5:1. 
1 Jn 5:1 reads “Everyone who believes (present participle) that Jesus is the Christ has been (perfect) born of God.” 
1 Jn 5:10 reads “Whoever does not believe (present participle) God has made(perfect) him a liar.” 
Those two verses share the same construction, yet obviously in 5:10 the making God a liar did not precede the not believing. Instead, making God to be a liar is the result of the unbelief. Likewise, in 5:1 the present participle takes precedence over the perfect verb, thus believing precedes regeneration."
Kevin Brown then argues, as I will also argue, that the Apostle John is not giving an order of events for how a person comes to Salvation. Apparently the article grabbed the attention of Dr. White early in 2010. He goes after the blogger in a video with a gusto. Claiming that the post is made anonymously. Dr. White says "That bothers me  because I can't see where the guy is coming from."  Why does "where he's coming from" matter? Is what he said true or isn't it? It took me but a moment to find the person's name, and just one moment longer to find out he agrees with Dr. White that regeneration precedes faith. Dr. White claims that Kevin Brown suggests that 1Jn 5:10 is parallel with 1Jn 5:1 and that it demonstrates that faith precedes regeneration. He laughs at the idea because as he says "...regeneration doesn't even appear in the verse." However, Mr. Brown doesn't argue either of those things in the article. He simply says that Dr. White is incorrect in his grammar and demonstrates it using another verse which has the exact same grammar. He claims to desire to interact with the author states "but the blog is fully anonymous as far as I can tell." Comments are present on the blog dated contemporaneously with the posting of Dr. White's video so he could have interacted by commenting had he desired to do so. One wonders if Mr. White read the article or if he was merely told about it.

Once he is done belittling the man whom he calls an "Anti-Reformed Textural Critic" he tries to salvage his grammatical argument by saying that because there is a "hoti clause" added to 1Jn 5:10 it changes how the grammar works... I'm not buying it. Why? Because I can't find a Greek Grammar that says the Participle works differently when there is a "hoti" later in the sentence. Someone give me a reason to if there is one...

Just like John 6, I content that 1Jn 5:1 isn't hard to understand until a Calvinist explains it to you... John simply says anyone who believes right now has in fact been born again. It is a statement of fact about a present reality, not an explanation of the order of events that lead up to that fact. He is not giving an "Ordo Salutis" which is just Reformed Theologian elitism for the order of salvation.

I was not completely comfortable with my understanding of how the Participle "believing" was operating in this verse. Kevin Brown, and several of those who commented on his article, presented a compelling argument. It seemed apparent that Dr. White was incorrect in his handling of the grammar, but I had to know for myself. So for the first time in this series I had to dig out reference material beyond a Bible, digital Greek manuscripts and a couple of Greek dictionaries. I had to get out a Greek Grammar and spend some serious effort re-learning how Participles work in Greek.

Here's what I found out about 1Jn 5:1, and it turns out you don't even have to use 1Jn 5:10 to show that Dr. White is wrong. I shared the controversy over Kevin Brown's post because frankly it demonstrates how single minded Dr. White is with regard to proving this doctrine which "must be." I am not relying on Mr. Brown's scholarship at all, and my criticism of TPF would stand firmly without it.

1Jn 5:1
"Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him."
More literally "Whoever is believing right now that Jesus is the Christ has been, and is, born of God..."

"Believing right now" is in the Present Tense, Active Voice, Participle Mood. That is it is happening in the moment, the subject person is the one who is actually doing it, and it is a participle.

Accordingly (with it's tense and mood), it is contemporaneous to the controlling verb. It is "happening" in the moment of the verb. If the verb happened in the past then it was "happening" at the time of the verb in the past. If in the future then it will be "happening" at the time of the verb in the future. In our case, as we will momentarily see, the verb is something that happened in the past with a result that is currently true. The present tense participle in our case is most obviously contemporaneous to the verb as it applies in this sentence. The one believing right now is born again right now.

Daniel B. Wallace in his Greek Grammar: Beyond the Basics page 625, #2:
"The Present participle is normally contemporaneous in time to the action of the main verb. This is especially so when it is related to a present tense main verb (often, in fact, it follows a present imperative as a participle of means). But this participle can be broadly antecedent to the time of the main verb, especially if it is articular (and thus adjectival; cf Mark 6:14; Eph 2:13). As well, the present participle is occasionally subsequent in a sense to the time of the main verb. This is so when the participle has a telic (purpose) or result flavor to it (cf. Eph 2:15). But as Robertson points out, "It is not strictly true that here the present participle means future or subsequent time. It is only that the purpose goes on coincident with the verb and beyond."
The present tense participle is only ever subsequent to (happens after) the main or controlling verb in a sense, never in actual time order of the events. In a sense the person in our case is believing after they were born again because they were born again in the past and they are believing right now. However, the grammar is not saying that the being born again happened prior to belief. It is an abuse of the context of John's words, but the closest possible interpretation to what Dr. White suggests is that these happened at the same moment. As we will discuss however, the context is not the order of events but the present reality of the result.

"Has been born again" is in the Perfect Tense, Passive Voice, Indicative Mood and it is the controlling verb. The meaning is that it has been accomplished, it was done too the person, and it is factual. It is something which has happened previous to the moment of the sentence.. John is talking about observing someone to see their present state, not indicating the order in which they came to that state.

Dr. White would like the verse to read something like "The one was born again in order that he would be believing now." But that is simply not how the language works. Wallace notes something that can lead to great abuse by a less than careful exegete in Greek Grammar: Beyond the Basics on page 613:
"The context has more influence on participles than on any other area of Greek grammar. In other words, for most participles, one cannot simply look at the structure...to determine what kind of participle it is.  There will be some clues, however, and the student must master these if he/she is to see the genuine semantic possibilities a participle can have in a given context. One's exegetical skills get tested more with participles than with any other part of speech."
I didn't leave my study at this point however. I wanted to see if there was any possibility that John used a Purpose Participle or a Result Participle in this passage. Due to the complex nature of the Greek Participle it would be premature to discount Dr. White's theology just because he was unable to make a proper defense of it. It is reasonable to investigate any possibility of his being correct for the wrong reasons.

Wallace defines a Purpose (Telic) Participle on page 635:
"The participle of purpose indicates the purpose of the action of the finite verb..."
Given this definition and an understanding of how context works we can move on to confidently determine that the participle at hand is not a purpose participle. John is not explaining God's purpose in regenerating someone. John is talking about recognizing those who you can be sure are born again. That's the context. The context is not of "Ordus Salutis" but it is of determining those it is proper to have fellowship with. 

Wallace defines a Result Participle on page 637:
"The participle of result is used to indicate the actual outcome or result of the action of the main verb. It is similar to the participle of purpose in that it views the end of the action of the main verb, but it is dissimilar in that the participle of purpose also indicates or emphasizes intention or design, while the result emphasizes what the action of the main verbe actually accomplishes."
He explains the key to identification on page 638:
"The result participle will be a present tense participle and will follow (in word order) the main verb. The student should insert the phrase with the result of before the participle in translation in order to see if the participle under examination is indeed a result participle." 
Once again the context is determining fellowship, not explaining the "Ordus Salutis" and the word order also excludes the possibility that it is a Result Participle. It is therefore not a result participle. John is not explaining, nor would his original readers have understood, that the order of salvation is either like that which Dr. White espouses or otherwise for that matter.

Thus, John's grammar excludes the idea that he is stating that belief is the purpose of, result of, or happens after being born again. That Dr. White is incorrect about the grammar of 1Jn 5:1 doesn't mean that faith happens before regeneration; as I firmly believe. Ask Kevin Brown said in his article, it just means that 1Jn 5:1 doesn't say that it does.

On page 613 of his Greek Grammar: Beyond the Basics Daniel B. Wallace writes:
"It is often said that mastery of the syntax of participles is mastery of Greek syntax.... In short the participle is difficult to master because it is so versatile. But this very versatility makes it capable of a rich variety of nuances, as well as a rich variety of abuses."
So, where CAN you find an "Ordo Salutis" or order of salvation? In passages like Jn 1:12, Jn 3:14-15 Re: Num 21:9, Jn 6:45, Rom 10:14-17, Eph 1:13, and Gal 3:2. Look then live, not live then look. Believe then receive the Spirit, not receive the Spirit then believe. Hear and then come, not be brought and then hear. Believe then be born again as a child of God, not be born again as a child of God then believe. And so on.. and so on...

In TPF Dr. White uses the example of 1Jn 2:29 to shore up his argument about 1Jn 5:1, and in his video response to Kevin Brown he adds the same argument about 1Jn 4:7.
"We do not practice righteousness so as to be born, but instead the birth gives rise to the practice of righteousness.... this means that in 1 John 5:1 the belief in Jesus as the Christ is the result of being born of Him. The verbal parallel is exact."
He notes that "the one practicing righteousness" is a present participle like believing in 1Jn 5:1.
"Therefore, sheer consistency leads one to the conclusion that divine birth precedes and is the grounds of both faith in Christ as well as good works."
Yet, "sheer consistency" doesn't drive him to say that 1Jn 5:10, which has the same grammatical structure as we discussed already, means that one makes God a liar so that he will not believe... But read the verses:

1Jn 2:29
If you know that He is righteous, you know that everyone who practices righteousness is born of Him.
1Jn 4:7
Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God.
Read them and consider. If Dr. White is wrong about the grammar, which I have demonstrated he is, would that mean that these verses say that one is born again "because" we practice righteousness? Or because we love one another?

No, even though Dr. White is wrong about the grammar that doesn't mean that John is saying we practice righteousness to be born again. He is not talking about the order of events. That is not the context, it is not the teaching, it is not a shade of meaning under the Text... it simply is not in the grammar. If it were then John would obey the rules of the Greek Participle to put it there. One cannot rightly read their theology into the Text with complicated Greek manipulations just because they can't find a passage that actually says regeneration happens prior to faith.

It is the convicting and convincing of the Holy Spirit, that leads a person to believe the Gospel when it is preached to them, and that's what brings salvation. This brings us to the next verse Dr. White discusses.

Of Acts 16:14 Dr. White offers:
"It is no response to say that the opening of Lydia's heart was a mere "moving" of God upon her that in essence brought her to a moral neutral point, leaving the final decision to her."
Who is Dr. White arguing against? This is not what Dr. Geisler wrote about in CBF, and it is not at all what I would say of the passage. I don't know who would say what Dr. White intends to argue against. I'm sure it seems like an easy argument to defeat though.
"The obvious question is, why would God have to open her heart and to what end? The text tells us why He engaged in this supernatural action: so that Lydia would "respond" to the things spoken by Paul... But if saving faith in response to the preaching of the Gospel is the ability of every man and woman, why did God have to open Lydia's heart?... God had to take out that heart of stone and put in Lydia a heart of flesh (Ezek 36:26) so that she would respond to the message of the Cross."
Let's read the verse:

Acts 16:14
Now a certain woman named Lydia heard us. She was a seller of purple from the city of Thyatira, who worshiped God. The Lord opened her heart to heed the things spoken by Paul.
One might start by asking what does it mean when Luke writes that God "opened her heart." The word "opened" is the Greek word dianoigo. It means to open, or to divide, or to cause to understand. It does not mean to take out and replace. It actually matches the ministry of the Holy Spirit as detailed in John 16:5-11.

Next one may want to know why God "opened her heart". Dr. White says that it was so she would "respond" but the word here is the Greek word prosecho. It means to pay attention or heed. The point is not about her response but about her paying attention. This is the Holy Spirit convicting and convincing.

This historical event is a lot like the resurrection of Lazarus, it is dramatic and provides a loose framework that Calvinists can put their theology into. However, just like when you read about Lazarus the details of the story simply do not support the theology of Calvinism.

Dr. White then comments on 1Cor 1:26-31:
"God has cut out every ground of boasting by choosing to save in a way that confounds the wisdom of men." 
Dr. White doesn't define the "way that confounds" he referes to, but continues to talk about pre-faith regeneration as though that is what Paul is talking about. If one reads the entirety of Paul's discussion one finds that he isn't talking about God regenerating lost sinners so that they will believe and this confounding the world. No. Paul is talking about the preaching of the Gospel, the preaching of the Cross. It is that God has chosen to save through the foolishness of preaching the Cross that confounds the wisdom of the world. Not by wisdom of words but by a simple message. 1Cor 1:14-31

He brings out a point that is interesting but does not help his case:
"Notice the small phrase that is often overlooked: 'But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus..."
He brings up the agency of God, that is God's work that puts us in Christ. This is a rebuttal of yet another Straw-Man Argument... We are baptized into Christ after we believe. Rom 6:3-7, Gal 3:1-4, Gal 3:26-27, 1Cor 12:13, Eph 1:13-14. I don't know who says that it is by the effort, will, or work of man that we are "in Christ." Dr. Geisler does not. I do not. I know of no one who does. Yet it knocking the Straw-Man down can make it appear as though his case is strong.

Dr. White then comments on Gal 1:15-16:
"If anyone knew that the idea of 'free will' was a myth, it was paul. It was not free will that knocked Paul to the ground on the road to Damascus. It was not free will that blinded him. Paul was not 'seeking after God' nor the Savior, Jesus Christ on that day when God chose to reveal His Son to him. ....(Paul) preached a powerful grace, a grace that saves rebel sinners hard of heart, a grace that stops the elect in their tracks and changes them. He knew nothing of a grace that tries and tries, and fails and fails."
Two articles which may be helpful with this comment are When Was Paul Saved Anyway? and Bad Koolaid: Paul's Lordship Salvation Testimony. Once again, Dr. White resorts to a Straw-Man argument. Who says that God's grace "tries and tries, and fails and fails"? One might wonder if Dr. White is aware of just how weak his arguments are and has decided to go back to Straw-Man Arguments and Ad Hominem Attacks.

Finally he brings up Titus 3:5-6 but doesn't comment on the passage. Here we find Paul saying that we are saved "according to His mercy" not "according to His Unconditional Election." What is His mercy? I could suggest Jn 6:40 is His mercy. I could also note that Paul speaks of the "mercies of David" when preaching the Cross. Acts 13:32-41. Paul is talking about the reality of the resurrection here, but the "sure mercies of David" are explained in Isa 55:1-3. It is the same as Jn 6:40. His mercy is that He saves all who believe. Not that He regenerates them so they can believe.

Regeneration is absolutely required for one to be saved. We must be born again as the Lord explained in John 3. We do not need to be regenerated in order to believe however. Salvation is conditioned on faith some 150 times in the New Testament. Never once is faith conditioned on salvation, or on regeneration if that can be separated from salvation as some Calvinists protest.

I cannot make it to the end of Chapter 12 this week. So I'll get to the rest of it next week. What we've seen here is that these two doctrines: Irresistible Grace and Pre-Faith Regeneration that "must be" true because of Total Inability (which has already been proven to be false) are simply not to be found in the Scriptures.

Next time we'll take a 'quick' look at what Dr. White calls "some of the more obvious passages that teach" that saving faith is the gift of God. He promises to talk about other (less obvious?) verses in the next chapter. I have to warn everyone, I am just about beyond my ability to put up with shenanigans like what we saw with 1Jn 5:1.  I may just do a very high level response to Chapter 13 because otherwise I may never actually complete this series.

Friday, November 16, 2012

The Debater's Potter - Part 16 - Chapter 11

Is it OK to debate the characteristics of God?
We're getting ever nearer the end of The Potter's Freedom and this series too! I've struggled with so many different things as I've been writing it. Offense, indignation, impatience, and even laziness. We're getting through it though! 

There haven't been very many comments. It's understandable given the length of the articles. Who wants to make one longer by adding a discussion under it? But still, Calvinism normally gets the conversation going... I'm somewhat glad for so few comments though, given how exhausted I am at the end of each article. The earlier chapters were easier because they didn't require much thought and study. The later chapters are taking at least 1 full day to prepare and 2 - 3 days to write. This is because I'm trying to be less dismissive of what White is writing and because he's finally gotten to his arguments. Even if I am underwhelmed by them they still deserve and require my full attention.

So, welcome again to a series of articles I've entitled "The Debater's Potter" where I react to, and interact with Dr. James R. White's book 
The Potter's Freedom(TPF) which he intends as a defense of his view of the Reformation and "the" rebuttal of Dr. Norman Geisler's book Chosen But Free(CBF). I would classify myself as a Non-Calvinist-Non-Arminian Believer in Christ, and I choose the title for this series because Dr. White's theology and argumentation seems more suited to debate than understanding God.


These articles are exceedingly long, and so I won't be able to go over points previously covered. So, please start from the Introduction to the series where you'll also find an index of links to each of the articles in the series. Thanks!

Last time we looked at Dr. White's argument FOR Limited Atonement, this time we're going to look at his argument AGAINST what he calls Universal Atonement. Before we get into his argument however, I need to clear some things up about the Atonement.

In the previous article I discussed how the Atonement is a two step process using Leviticus 16 to explain that. That Christ died for everyone does not mean everyone has been atoned. It means that God has been propitiated for all the sins of all mankind. In deed God was not just propitiated for the sins of man, but He was propitiated on behalf of all Creation. Justice is satisfied with the propitiation. Forgiveness is bestowed after the confession of sins. Thus the Atonement that Christ accomplished on the Cross is neither Limited Atonement nor Universal Atonement. It made atonement universally available. Thus Dr. Geisler says it made all mankind "saveable" which Dr. White characterizes as a "theoretical salvation." It is unfortunate that Dr. Geisler does not explain the Atonement from Leviticus 16, but it even more so that Dr. White invents his own economy for Atonement that is not found in the Scriptures.

As we are about to dig into Chapter 11 let's take a second to remember what Dr. White promised he would do in this chapter:

Do Reformed theologians have no satisfactory explanations for the texts that are cited in support of universal atonement? Let's find out.
So will we get "exegetical" "responses" (which he demands of Geisler) to the passages that I cited last time? We're about to find out. I have to admit that I wrote this introduction before finishing the chapter. In fact as I'm writing this very paragraph I'm about 3/4 the way through the chapter and have just gotten to the first discussion of any particular verse.

There's going to be a change to the format in this article. The first 3/4 of the chapter at hand goes back to the style of the two introductions and the first 8 or so chapters. I've taken extensive notes on the whole chapter so if there's something that anyone would like me to comment on please just leave a comment under this article stating what it is and I'll do that. What I don't want to repeat this time around is the hours of writing about (and you having to read) name calling, misdirection, his offense at the idea that Geisler might want to define terms in ways that historical Calvinism hasn't and the like. Do you really need to go through that all over again? I didn't think so.

Out of the first 3/4 of the chapter the following four things stand out, and they are the basis for White's understanding of Limited Atonement. So let's talk about them.

1. White's view of Substitutionary Atonement.

The first 3/4 of the chapter is largely just a repeat of the previous chapter. As we saw last time White thinks that unless the people Christ died to save were exclusively joined with Christ at the moment of the Cross then it cannot be called "substitutionary" atonement. It is a long complicated and strained argument that he makes but in short he is saying unless the people were with Christ at the moment of the Cross then the person cannot say "I have been crucified with Christ."  White suggests there are only two possible scenarios. If Christ died for everyone then, everyone can say "I have been crucified with Christ" even the lost sinner already suffering in the flames of Hell. Or that Christ only died for the sins of the Elect who must have been "joined with Christ" at the cross.

Geisler notes, as I do, that Salvation is not "complete" at the Cross. Previously Dr. White had argued that such is exactly what the Lord meant when He said "It is finished!" But, now he says:

"...we are not saying that God completed and applied the entire work of salvation to the elect at the cross. Such would be impossible since most of the elect were not yet born. What we are saying is that the elect were joined to Christ at His death so that they can all say "I was crucified with Christ." What we are saying is that the unregenerate man in hell can never say "I was crucified with Christ." What we are saying is that is equivocation to say "Before the moment in time when they were regenerated, the elect were not saved actually but only potentially."What does "potentially" mean? That there was some doubt involved." 
Dr. Geisler never once states, implies or in any other way suggests that there is any "doubt" about if the Elect will be saved. Dr. White seemingly has a hard time to argue against what Dr. Geisler actually writes in his book so he chooses to argue against other things...

I suggest that instead of making assumptions and building a theology that we must then find ways to defend in the Scriptures that we simply read the Scriptures. As demonstrated by the verses cited in Part 15, and again later in this article it is clear that Christ did in fact die for everyone. Those who believe are then baptized into Christ's death, burial and resurrection. They were not "joined to Christ" at the moment of the Cross. Only after faith, can one say that they have been crucified with Christ. In fact if you read the passage Dr. White uses to assert that the person was actually Crucified with Christ at the moment of the Cross you will find out that Paul is not placing the person on the cross, but rather explaining that because they have died in Christ they are not bound by the Law. It is the fact of their death that Paul is detailing, not when and where it happened. Gal 2:11-21. Gal 2:20a (the first phrase of the verse) sounds great to support a view which has been previously built up, but the problem is that the Apostle was not talking about what White is using the verse for. He was not putting the person on the Cross with Christ (even spiritually... whatever that's supposed to mean) at the moment of the Cross. In fact after belief a person must be baptized INTO Christ's cross work in order for them to say they have been crucified with Christ. Rom 6:3-7, Gal 3:1-4, Gal 3:26-27, 1Cor 12:13, Eph 1:13-14

2. The Language of Only

In responding to Dr. Geisler about how the Bible again and again states that Christ died for all Dr. White writes:

"In other words, 'Unless the Bible uses the exact phrase 'Christ died only for the elect,' then it can't possibly be true.'" 
That is pretty much how it works when throughout the Text the Bible indicates that He died for all. In order for "all" to mean something other than "all" it must be modified grammatically. The fact that the Bible never once says that Christ died "only" for the Elect, and repeatedly says that He died for all means that no matter how much it breaks some system of theology that it cannot be true that Christ died "only" for the Elect.


3. Calvin's view of the scope of the atonement - White got Geisler on this one!


FINALLY! After 10 chapters, two long introductions and endless Straw-Man arguments, arguments against Arminianism, arguments against Roman Catholicism Dr. White's "rebuttal" of CBF scores a goal. Dr. Geisler takes the same position that apparently dozens of scholars of the subject have taken. That Calvin believed in a "universal atonement."  Here's what White quotes Geisler as saying:
"Even John Calvin was not an extreme Calvinist on this point, for he believed that by Christ's death "all the sins of the world have been expiated." Commenting on the "many " for whom Christ died in Mark 14:24, Calvin said "The word many does not mean a part of the world only, but the whole human race." This means that people like Jonathan Edwards, John Gerstner, and R.C. Sproul, who believe in limited atonement, are more extreme than John Calvin! Hence, they have earned the title "extreme Calvinists."
Dr. White spends pages discussing this comment and explaining what other people have said on the subject. To his credit he does note that many scholars agree with Geisler on this point. Just when I had given up on the idea that he would end the berating and just quote Calvin on the subject he finally did! I'm not going to share the quote because it is very very long. As I was reading it I was thinking "the case is not entirely clear, but I think that Dr. White is correct on this." I was cautious however because the case seemed to be overly complicated and drawn out. I wasn't about to go read Calvin at length to find out if White was quoting him properly or not. Then it happened. Instead of continuing his overly complicated case he quoted Calvin directly on the subject:
"Therefore, under the word 'all' [in 1 John 2:2] he does not include the reprobate, but referes to all who would believe and those who were scattered through various regions of the earth."
According to this very short quote, at some point in Calvin's writing career he did in fact believe in Limited Atonement. This is all White offered of Calvin directly on the subject, and it is notable that Dr. White will make the exact same assertion about 1Jn 2:2 later in the chapter. Will he be able to defend his redefinition of the words the " whole world"?
Discussion about Calvin's "Limited" or "Universal" Atonement views is exceedingly wearisome. I'll let the scholars argue about the implications and whether this view was on-going or held a for a period or whatever... frankly does it even matter? I truly do not care what some preacher thought. I care what the Scriptures say.

Here's Dr. White's moment of glory as he can finally honestly say that CBF was in error about something: 

"At the very least one thing is obvious: given CBF's failure to interact with any of these arguments the assertion that Calvin "certainly" did not believe in particular redemption is left without any foundation whatsoever." ... "In conclusion, then, we see that the assertion that Calvin "certainly" denied limited atonement, and that this means that those who hold this view are "extreme Calvinists" is utterly without substantiation, either in Calvin's words or in the readily available scholarly sources."
No one can say I didn't give praise where praise was due... this is the first thing in the whole book where Dr. White has any legs to stand on... wobbly as they are the still mangage to score him a point.


4. Double Jeopardy 


I have not been entirely fair to Dr. White on this subject. As I discussed in Part 15 God cannot be satisfied, or propitiated by a spotted offering so the sinner's death doesn't actually accomplish justice. But, Dr. White mixes the idea of propitiation with punishment, as though God is appeased by a person being punished for their sin. This idea is of course extra-biblical as God is only ever propitiated by the blood of a spotless offering. Nonetheless however, White argues against the idea that God would "punish" two people for the same sin. It is in fact the main argument he makes against a "universal atonement." The idea is planted in the reader's mind in Chapter 10, and comes to fruition in Chapter 11 when it is used to explain why the words "whole world"cannot actually mean "the whole world." Actually White never mentions the "whole" part of the phrase "the whole world" at all.. but we'll get that.

Even though punishment is not actually part of the propitiation that the Bible talks about, is there any Biblical merit to White's idea that God can, or to be more generous, would punish two people (Christ and the sinner himself) for the same sin?

He writes:

"We are left with the utterly untenable conclusion that God extracts double-payment for these sins: He punished them first in Christ, and then He will punish them for eternity in the non-elect, who could have avoided this if they had simply exercised their free will and believed." 
Then he continues with a story:
"Let us say there is a man named John Green... John Green will not accept Christ. Despite the best efforts of the Holy Spirit, it is known, perfectly, that John Green will die rejecting the gospel and end up in hell as a result." 
Oh boy... "despite the best efforts of the Holy Spirit"? Really? White repeatedly warns against emotionalism defining the outcome of the debate but surely doesn't fear to employ it again and again. As demonstrated in Part 7 this is not at all what Dr. Geisler (or anyone else I can think of) says. He continues:
"...God the Father knew, infallibly, that John Green would never accept the work of Christ in his behalf, still God the Father causes Jesus Christ to suffer in John Green's place, bearing his sins and their penalty on the cross. This despite the fact that God likewise knows that He will exact the same penalty for the same sins from John Green's sins on Jesus knowing full well that Christ's work would fail in His behalf?"
Wow. So the death of a sinner is the "exact same" as the death of Jesus Christ the Righteous? How so Dr. White? The death of a guilty sinner who goes on to eternal punishment is not in any way akin to, or "likewise" to Jesus Christ the Righteous' death burial and resurrection.

Dr. White wrote of Hebrews 9:26

"What does it mean to "put away" sin? If His self-sacrifice puts away sin, how can any man for whom Christ died be held accountable for those sins? Such involves "double jeopardy" the punishment of Christ and the punishment of the man for the same sins!"  
Israel is God's "elect" nation. Christ died for Israel. Perhaps, in White's economy, not all of the people of Israel but certainly some portion of that nation as individuals.  Yet we read things like Lev 26:18-24, Ezra 9:13, Hos 8:13, Hos 9:1-17, Amos 3:1-2... and so on and so on. Apparently God does punish the Elect for their sins even though it is without debate the sins of the Elect were born by Christ on the cross.

Actually Amos 3:1-2 is the same passage White tried to use to explain how being "foreknown" in Romans 8:29 really means to be "foreloved." So by White's admission the sins of these particular people MUST have been born by Christ on the cross, yet God still punished them. How can that be? Is this "double-jeopardy"?

White expands his argument and tries to cover all his bases with:

"The sins of the elect people of God were nailed to the cross of Christ and no others. This is the difference, then: the Arminian says all sins committed by all men are nailed to the cross of Calvary and borne in His body on the tree. The Reformed says if this is so then they cannot be borne by anyone else at any time. It is not a matter of Christ "potentially" bearing sin: either He bore it or He didn't. If He did, those sins are forgiven."
I love it when White is clear. It sounds like a pretty solid argument doesn't it? It is interesting to me that there is no Scripture referenced or cited. Where does the Scripture say that the sins of the Elect, or anyone for that matter, were "nailed to the cross"?  Where does the Scripture say that if Christ bore one's sins that they themselves cannot "at any time" also bear them?

If only Christ can ever bear the sins of the Elect, because He bore them at the cross and no one else can bear them at any time then how does the Elect person come to faith? They can't be convicted of their sin - for they have not, nor ever will they bear it themselves. How can they say they are guilty? For according to White's economy though they were sinners - as he was careful to point out in the previous chapter - they cannot bear their own sin guilt for Christ bore it on the cross. Does the Elect person come to Christ not bearing the guilt of their sin? What of the Elect people who used to be sinners who were washed and justified. 1Cor 6:9-11. How can one be "justified" for a sin they never bore? There are many examples in the Text which show Dr. White to be false on this. Dr. White's argument sounds solid, yet is it is not based in the Scriptures but in his theology. It falls apart at the slightest test of Scripture.

We have already seen White's view of propitiation is incorrect. I have demonstrated that Propitiation is about justice. That God must be propitiated for all sin, and even for all Creation otherwise there would be injustice and God is just. Payment must be made by an acceptable offering, there is only one, the Lord Jesus Christ who alone is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world. I have also demonstrated that justice being served makes it just for God to forgive the guilty sinner on the basis of faith. That this is how the Day of Atonement worked, and it is how being saved works.

White's economy for sin does not fit in the Bible. This being established, does that mean that God does "punish" two people, Christ and the sinner, for the same sin? If Christ died for everyone does that mean that God "extracts double-payment" dishing out punishment for the sins "twice"? Here's a radical question. Where does the Bible say that Christ was "punished"? The Bible says that Christ was crucified for our sin, that it pleased the Father to crush Him for our iniquity, and that He died in accordance with the Scriptures for our sin. Nowhere, that I can find, does it say that He was, or would be, "punished" for our sin. Christ didn't "take our punishment." He died to satisfy Justice so we could be justified making eternal punishment of us unnecessary.
Believe it or not, while these are the most important parts of White's diatribe for the first 3/4 of the chapter it hardly covers the multitude of comment worthy quotes. I chose to not comment on everything because it really is just more of the same that we saw for most of TPF. I decided not to focus on White's attitude this time, and looking at how long this article is already getting I bet everyone is glad I did so!


White on passages used to show Christ died for all. 


Now, as we approach Dr. White's discussion of particular passages used to show that Christ died for all mankind, and really all of Creation I want to remind you of the verses that I was able to pick out in just a couple of minutes to show this to be a fact. It may be important to realize that I compiled this list of passages before I had read more than the first three pages of White's 11th chapter. I had no idea how in depth he would or would not get. 
Lev 16:1-34Isa 53:6Matt 13:44Mark 16:15-16Jn 1:29Jn 3:14-17Jn 4:42Jn 6:33Rom 5:12-192Cor 5:14-152Cor 5:18-19Gal 3:222Pet 2:1-31Jn 2:2, 1Jn 4:14. Then I added discussion about two more passages 2Cor 5:14-15 and Rom 3:21-26.
To be fair, I would say much fairer than Dr. White is to Dr. Geisler, CBF does not cite all of these passages. In fact, if I remember correctly Dr. Geisler does a fairly poor job in explaining the Atonement. Yet, Dr. White never fails to criticize Dr. Geisler for not interacting with the multitude of Reformed Theologians whom Dr. White esteems. So I will say that Dr. White ought to even more so, and at the very least, interact with the Scriptures which say Christ died for all. That is what he led us to believe he would do at the end of Chapter 10.

Sadly, Dr. White choose to mention only two verses. 

John 1:29 

The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
White says that Dr. Geisler uses this "as a proof-text for universal atonement" and responds:
"To which we reply that if the Lamb of God takes away the sin of every single individual then that sin is gone and can no longer be held against anyone."
In other words "it can't mean what it says because we know..." Isn't this what Dr. White accuses everyone else but him of doing? I haven't written it in a while but; Pot meet Kettle. He continues briefly:
"...we cannot help but point to the fact that John uses the term "world" in many different ways. It cannot be assumed that "world" means the same thing in every context. In John "World" is used of those for whom Christ does not pray (John 17:9), so obviously its meaning here cannot simply be assumed. We will address this usage of "world" as it is found in the more famous passage relevant to this issue, 1 John 2:2." 
That's his explanation of John 1:29 from the Calvinist's point of view. John uses the word "world" in different ways. OK So show me from the Text what he means in this verse. 

Since there is no valid justification to re-define the word into something other than "the world" here he must move on to another verse. Before he moves on to 1Jn 2:2 he does briefly mention John 17:9. This is one of the arguments I skipped from the first 3/4 of this chapter. In that argument Dr. White says that Christ didn't pray for "the world" but only for those who would believe then and in the future. He uses this in a helpless attempt to make it appear as though this means Christ didn't die for "the world." However, here we find that while the Lord didn't pray for the world, the Lamb of God takes away the sin of the world. Is John talking about two different worlds? Does he mean two different things? Without appealing to Calvinism, or without attempting to protect, or for that matter insult, Calvinism show me from the Text how that is possible. It is not possible. The word means what it means. Just like the word "all" it means what it means unless there is some grammatical modifier, and there isn't one. So, it means "world."

Having completed this feat of Calvinistic-Exegesis (other wise known as eisegesis) Dr. White moves on to his second and final verse to discuss on the subject. 

"The final passage we will examine is the most often cited by proponents of a universal, non-specific atonement."
1John 2:2 
And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.
Is this verse so very hard to understand?
"The Reformed understanding is that Jesus Christ is the propitiation for the sins of all the Christians to which John was writing, and not only them, but for all the Christians throughout the world, Jews and Gentile, at all times in all places." 
Yes I get that Dr. White. I also know how important your historical Calvinism is to you, but that's not what the verse says. 
"If there was not so much emotional energy involved in the debate the means of determining which interpretation is the proper one would be agreed to by all: the meaning of "propitiation" would be examined. The meaning of "Advocate" would be deduced. And Johns writings would be studied to see how he uses the phrase "the whole world" and what other phrases/descriptions could be paralleled with it."
There's a whole lot packed into those few sentences! If there wasn't "so much emotional energy involved in" defending Calvinism from the obvious meaning of the Scripture then there would be no "debate" about the meaning of this verse at all. The meaning of propitiation can be found in Leviticus 16. The sin offering for the people is made to appease God for the sin of the people. Propitiation is made at the Mercy Seat. John says that Christ is the propitiation for the sins of the whole world, and in the previous verse says that "we" that is the Believers have an Advocate in Heaven. The Advocate is not for the "whole world" but the propitiation is. So the meaning of Advocate is not informative to the subject of Limited Atonement - no matter how hard Dr. White attempted to limit the atonement to those whom Christ intercedes for in his argument for Limited Atonement in Chapter 10.

The last thing of note in this short quotation is this: "...and what other phrases/descriptions could be paralleled with it." This is very telling. As we'll see momentarily Dr. White isn't interested in which passages ARE parallel with this verse, but which "can be paralleled" with it. 

"For example, such a study would find the following passage, also from the pen of John, relevant"
He quotes Rev 5:9-10 as though it is some sort of new idea that he is introducing. Again, the Lord said that He bought the field to get the pearl. Mat 13:44 This is just an example of Red Smarties again.
"Similarly we can find yet another passage in John's writings that provides parallel information:"
Then he quotes John 11:49-52. He adds:
"Again we note the exegetical relevance. 1) the death of Christ is in the context; 2) the object of the death of Christ is discussed and identified; 3) a generic term "people" is more closely identified as the children of God who are scattered abroad. Clearly the point of the passage is that Christ dies with a specific purpose in mind, so that He might gather together into one the children of God whoa re scattered abroad." 
The death of Christ is being discussed. The object of Christ's death (I really don't like this terminology because it is unclear) is discussed and identified. The object is the people so that the whole nation not perish. He was to die for the people, so that some portion of the nation would not perish. We are not told how big, or the identity of that portion of the nation.

Dr. White asserts that "the generic term 'the people' is more closely identified as the children of God who are scattered abroad." However, read the passage. That is not at all what John did. The people are not "more closely identified" at all. "The people" must include the Nation of Israel as we read in vs 51, and not ONLY the nation of Israel but enough people so that it will cover those who are also scattered abroad.  Here read the passage:

John 11:49-52

49 And one of them, Caiaphas, being high priest that year, said to them, “You know nothing at all, 50 nor do you consider that it is expedient for us that one man should die for the people, and not that the whole nation should perish.” 51 Now this he did not say on his own authority; but being high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the nation, 52 and not for that nation only, but also that He would gather together in one the children of God who were scattered abroad.
The "people" are not "more closely identified" as the Children of God. He was to die "for the nation" yet the Scripture is clear and even the Lord Himself noted, that not all of the Nation of Israel would be saved. Yet He was to die "for the nation and not for that nation only" but also for the purpose (or but also that) He would gather together in one the children of God. The purpose is what is more closely identified. He died for the people so that He would gather together in on the Children of God. Dr. White once again tries to use his own grammar to make the Scripture say something it is not saying, but thankfully it is easy enough to tell what he is doing. He bought the field so He could get the pearl. 

In the end John 11:49-52 is no different than what we have already established. Christ died for all so that He could justly save those who would believe. Rom 3:21-26 
"The fact that Dr. Geisler either is unaware of the comments we just provided (which are found in any number of Reformed works on the subject) or chooses to ignore them does not make the claim, drawn from honest contextual exegesis of the text, "groundless."
I'm not sure I would call any of this "exegesis" or "honest" for that matter.
Dr. White quotes Dr. Geisler:
"One needs only to make a study of the generic use of the word "world" (cosmos) in John's writings to confirm that he speaks here of the fallen, sinful world (cf. John 1:10-11; 3:19)"
To which Dr. White responds:
"We are not told why these passages are exegetically relevant outside of the appearance of the word "world." Why should we accept the claim that, for example, John 3:19 is somehow relevant to the meaning of the word "world" in 1Jn 2:2?"
Oh the ever clever debater is firing on all cylinders on this one! First and foremost the discussion is about John 1:29 so the usage of the word "world" just a few verses away from that, in John 1:10-11 IS  particularly relevant. Especially since it is this passage that identifies WHO will be saved: those who believe. Instead of making that connection though he decides to push the verses he selects to talk about as far apart as possible choosing John 3:19 and 1Jn 2:2. The connection between John 1:10-11 and John 1:29 is relavent on every level. John 3:19 merely shows how the word "world" is used by John. 

That isn't even the worst of it though. Dr. White just took us to a few passages that have little to nothing to do with the John 1:29 or 1Jn 2:2 and which don't even use the word "world" in them. Are his examples - which have already been shown not to help his view anyway - more "exegetically relevant" to the meaning of the word "world"?  I don't know about you readers, but I've gone from being offended by the man for thinking so little of those who disagree with him as to make such lame defences of his doctrine, to finding him laughable. 
Yet he confidently states of Geisler's belief that the words "the whole world" in 1Jn 2:2 really do simply mean "the whole world":

"We here have a classic example of what Dr. Geisler accuses the Reformed of: eisegesis, reading into the passage a meaning that it could never have borne when first written."
Really? It's interesting that the Apostle John wrote "the whole world" using the Greek words holos kosmos. The whole, or complete, creation. This is what these words mean, no matter if that fact insults Calvinism or not.

Above we saw Dr. White say that Dr. Geisler's apparent ignorance of Reformed teachings doesn't make the claims of Calvinism "groundless." I say the only "ground" for Limited Atonement is that it is a requirement of Calvinism. If Calvinism is true then Limited Atonement must be true.... and that brings us to Dr. White's best available weapon! 

"Charles Spurgeon believed in particular redemption."
And there we have it! How many times have I heard Calvinists tell me "I'm kinda like Charles Spurgeon, I have no choice but to believe Calvinism." Or "As Spurgeon said, Calvinism is Christianity." Or one more quote from Spurgeon himself "The doctrine that is called 'Calvinist' did not spring from Calvin; we believe that it sprang from the great founder of all truth." 

Spurgeon is a bigger than life example of a preacher. Surely, people think, if Spurgeon the "Prince of Preachers" believed and preached it then it MUST be true! White quotes the man at length, giving him a more than a few pages of space in TPF. I'll grant, that while like many other preachers all of his views cannot be established with extreme clarity, that the man did preach Calvinism on many many occasions and that he was himself a Calvinist. Who cares? Was Spurgeon an Apostle who was sent to establish Doctrine for the Church? Did he author Scripture? I'm not disparaging the man in the least, but I am recognizing that he was just a man.

Dr. White closes his chapter with:

"This comes out yet again as the real objection to particular redemption surfaces: the identity of the elect must be based upon God's foreknowledge of their free actions. It cannot be based upon God's decree, for if it were, then salvation is totally of God, and not of man."
Who is he arguing against here?  He chose the title of the book seemingly for the same reason he titles many of his doctrines the way he does. To argue against Dr. White is to argue and rebell against "The Potter's freedom" or  rather "the freedom of God." Dr. Geisler never once says that salvation must be of man.

The last line in the chapter is:

"Thanks be to God He saves perfectly in Christ!"
Because to argue against Limited Atonement is to argue against the perfection of Christ's salvation...

This is Dr. White's sum total of "satisfactory explanations for the texts that are cited in support of universal atonement" that he presents. Who is this supposed to convince? He didn't use exegesis to discuss ANY of the scriptures which speak of Christ dying for all. He differed his argument of Jn 1:29 to his discussion of 1Jn 2:2 which he didn't discuss but instead took us through a few other verses which shed no light on the meaning of the words "the whole world." He didn't even get into the fact that the Apostle John said the WHOLE world, holos kosmos.  There's an easy grammatical modifier that John WOULD have used had he meant that Christ is the propitiation for people throughout the whole world... oh I just used it myself and you understood it! The word "throughout" would modify the meaning of the word "world" to mean people from all over the world, not everyone in the world.

This really is much shorter than it would have been had I gone paragraph by paragraph. Nothing important was missed. I just skipped a bunch of the more silly things. The arguments presented here really were the very strongest of all. In fact they are all that had any sort of strength to them at all. What more can I say?

I'm not some great theologian. I'm just an ordinary guy who reads his Bible. Why is Calvinism even still being discussed if someone like me can see the errors in it?