tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16963152.post3218814197655930581..comments2023-04-09T10:10:14.059-03:00Comments on On My Walk: 'BUT' Theology - Part 2Kevlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18080346872086553798noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16963152.post-77694936850941162682010-11-01T20:15:39.025-03:002010-11-01T20:15:39.025-03:00Hi Lou,
It's sad that half truths are used t...Hi Lou, <br /><br />It's sad that half truths are used to draw disciples into bondage. <br /><br />KevKevlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18080346872086553798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16963152.post-33406575177321691042010-11-01T19:25:54.621-03:002010-11-01T19:25:54.621-03:00Kev:
This is an important ministry of warning you...Kev:<br /><br />This is an important ministry of warning you’ve been issuing about this works based <i>Lordship Salvation</i> message from Pastor Mallar. I want to address the following, <br /><br />“The next verse he cites is John 3:36, he talks about the famous John 3:16 and then says that verse 36 is in the same context. He says; ‘You must come to grips with this. There is a belief that does nothing..... ‘We’re not adding works, but you’ve got to wrestle this through.’ He explains that this verse tells us <b>only those who are obedient are saved</b>. If you just read that verse alone I’m sure one could think this.”<br /><br />You’ve landed on one of the classic misuses by LS men for <b>John 3:36</b>. I address this in my book.<br /><br />“The active word in this verse [Jn. 3:36] is <i>believe</i>. If a man will believe on the Son (of God), he will have eternal life. John MacArthur cites this verse in a footnote on p. 33 of <i>The Gospel According to Jesus</i>. The meaning of the verse, however, is distorted to favor the Lordship Salvation view. He cites the verse as follows: ‘He who does not obey the Son shall not see life. . . .’”<br /><br /><br />LouLou Martuneachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08683967904677815711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16963152.post-5912115737913838992010-10-29T22:55:21.933-03:002010-10-29T22:55:21.933-03:00Do you suppose they ever sing "Blessed Assura...Do you suppose they ever sing "Blessed Assurance?"<br /><br />JanHJanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00929002821245735729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16963152.post-47020800255761558312010-10-29T20:36:39.537-03:002010-10-29T20:36:39.537-03:00Hi Jan,
I sure would like it if Pastor Millar, o...Hi Jan, <br /><br />I sure would like it if Pastor Millar, or one of those he teaches, would answer this question. <br /><br />I guess I have two answers. <br /><br />The first one is a bit of preview of the conclusion of this series. Gal 6:12 Think of how "holy" one appears before Reformed audiences when they preach like that? Think of how evil they are made out to be if they preach anything other than that. <br /><br />Why do people parrot John MacArthur, John Piper, Paul Washer.... when they preach? It's an easy sell, and if they don't... well they have to answer for it. <br /><br />The other reason is when you only carry one tool... it's got to be used for every job. <br /><br />The premise is that if you are saved you will be obedient, and if you're not obedient then you're not saved. <br /><br />If that's true where else can you go? Person has doubt - they are not saved. Person has sin - they are not saved. They question our doctrine - they are not saved. <br /><br />How can you exercise proper biblical correction? You can't. It doesn't make sense under that system Galatian 6:1 makes no sense... you can't restore him because "he who goes out from us never was of us" You can't restore what never had fellowship in the first place. You can only preach salvation to them.<br /><br />Oh I'm tempted to get into the whole conclusion here. :) <br /><br />Maybe some Calvinistic people will answer your question. These articles are getting a lot of reads... there must be some people who disagree with my premise who are also willing to answer your question.<br /><br />KevKevlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18080346872086553798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16963152.post-69331462461200975292010-10-29T20:08:47.924-03:002010-10-29T20:08:47.924-03:00Because instead of holding saved Christians to the...<i>Because instead of holding saved Christians to the standards we are supposed to, we simply tell them they are "probably" not saved.. and that they should "foresake" their sins... and "turn to serve God."<br /><br />Instead of discipling them, we accuse them of having a false belief.</i><br /><br />Kev-<br /><br />This might be completely off topic but I am wondering about something. LS preachers sometimes preach from the pulpit to supposedly Biblically sound churches that some large percentage (anywhere from 50-85%) of that church's membership is probably not saved. And they say that the problem is in the gospel that they had heard- usually where the person is entreated to “pray a prayer” or “walk an aisle” or “raise their hand” or something similar (of course, this only concerns the response and not the message itself so we don't know what message they would be responding to). But the strange thing is, they do the same thing in their own churches where the LS gospel is preached week after week-always presupposing that the same people who sit there for years, and have been active members in that church for years, are not necessarily saved. They never say they know the people are saved because they responded to the “hard gospel” instead of the easy one. It seems not to improve assurance among the preachers that their flocks are indeed saved, else why would they treat the same people like they might not be saved week after week? I mean, these are the people who responded by making the commitment, giving their lives, bowing to Christ's Lordship, or what have you, right? But still, week after week, even thought they did what they were supposed to do to get saved, their salvation is still supposedly in question. And it's not like they make a distinction between those who are there weekly and someone who may be new or visiting. So...how does preaching an LS gospel improve salvation statistics among church members? And when and how does the issue get settled?<br /><br />Do you see what I mean?Janhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00929002821245735729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16963152.post-87595015355962379072010-10-29T15:13:35.575-03:002010-10-29T15:13:35.575-03:00Look UP,
I should point out that you asked a goo...Look UP, <br /><br />I should point out that you asked a good question. <br /><br />I just now realized that I was loading my ideas into my writing and just assuming that everyone reading would have the same mind set. <br /><br />Good question. <br /><br />KevKevlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18080346872086553798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16963152.post-15082316168841631392010-10-29T13:03:39.421-03:002010-10-29T13:03:39.421-03:00Hi Look Up,
You wrote "were already freed w...Hi Look Up, <br /><br />You wrote "were already freed with a saving belief"<br /><br />You're loading your question with preconcived ideas. <br /><br />What are you instantly free from when you believe? The judgment of God. <br /><br />What are you free of if you abide in the words of Christ? IE walk in the Spirit. Gal 5:16. You are free from the bondage of sin. You are only free of this bondage if you abide, if you walk in the Spirit. If you do not do this.. then sin will have power in your life. <br /><br />This is one reason why proper discipleship is needed in our churches. Changing the terms of the Gospel will not produce holy living Christians - as Pastor Millar freely expresses in his message these people who sit under the Lordship Slavtion gospel week in and week out would still be ashamed to have their Pastor see how they live all week. <br /><br />Why is this so? Because instead of holding saved Christians to the standards we are supposed to, we simply tell them they are "probably" not saved.. and that they should "foresake" their sins... and "turn to serve God." <br /><br />Instead of discipling them, we accuse them of having a false belief. <br /><br />I'll get to more on this topic in the conclusion of the series when I talk about the solutions proposed by Pastor Millar, and what I belief Scripture says. <br /><br />KevKevlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18080346872086553798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16963152.post-68820977127567702512010-10-29T10:09:41.856-03:002010-10-29T10:09:41.856-03:00If those in John 8:31 were already freed with a sa...If those in John 8:31 were already freed with a saving belief, why did Jesus in John 8:32 say "the truth shall/will make you free" as compared to "the truth hath/has already made you free"?Look uphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16955173721902695881noreply@blogger.com